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I’m from the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this South but I live in Delhi and I can definitely attest to your statement. We may not have the best governments down south by all my experiences with the passport office, post office, banks etc. have been very prompt and pleasant. Exactly the opposite here in Delhi though. I study at a government college and it took them a WHOLE year to file a single sheet of paper to pass my scholarship. No one knew what do to and they just kept pointing fingers with utter incompetence. Believe me, India feels different in different states. My experience with Delhi is also awful. I stayed here for 6 months and everything was awful. Most importantly, almost all people were greedy, mean, stingy, immoral, ready to fight and what not. Even the doctor that I met was having fake degrees. Thank god, I returned home otherwise I could have been very sick and perished.
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Every Doctor, bro either you are very dumb that you have consulted jhola chap or i have not being living in real world. Next time ask your neighbours, elder or just search Government hospital website, they have Doctor name address phone number, most of these reputable doctors have home clinics. I visited the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this passport office here in patna recently and had a wonderful experience , no bribes taken , polite staff , etc. At which stage have you required to pay a bribe in a passport office? During the police verification and they were so bold that they didn’t even come to my house, they called me to the police station. Nowadays they are calling to station. I too was called for my recent passport , was not asked bribe. There were others also waiting for verification when I went to the station.
That’s life practically everywhere on earth. Except for in the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this west. But humne aisa kya hi ukhad liya hai jo we can compare ourselves to them? This tweet would easily trigger a lot of so called right wing activists. They make fun of everyone who criticises. It would trigger all the closet sanghis also. I never realised how many there were till they came out during ram mandir. I mean I can see the appeal although I don’t get why. Its just an opinion. He hates somethings. What’s wrong with that? I’d just move on. I dont know about all the departments but a major clean up happened once sushma swaraj took over the foreign ministry at least for the passport division. I remember bribing for my passport 20 years ago but needed one a couple of years ago and needed it on the same day as i was traveling as i lost mine and in mumbai i got it done within 6-7 hours. Of course had to pay the tatkal amount but the way it was processed where TCS handled all documentation etc there was no scope for anyone to ask for money. Ghaziabad police station hell every police station in the very NCR of delhi still asks for bribes during police verifications. There. Magic word that you forgot to include. Ghaziabad. Have you tried reaching out these dept heads on twitter? Probably as you are not a native and you need their assistance they are asking money. If you can make it from your native or from a bigger office like in proper delhi i think it would be easier and as far as bribe if you make a bit of noise usually they just shut and give. It all depends how soon you need it, if you are ready to fight it and waste some time do it or else no option i guess but to pay…



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Ghaziabad police is the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this worst! There was an old guy (maybe middle aged but he looked old) who used to stare at me whenever I took my dog out for a walk… I complained to the police (there is always a police car standing outside the society) and he said that he will fix the situation but I had to pay him (2k). I did it and that guy held a grudge against me (he died 2 years ago)… It amazed me that a police officer was asking a 19 year old money to just tell the guy to stay away! ETA: (South) Delhi police is actually quite good though! When I was in a reputed college in Mumbai, the registrar clerk would be addressed to as “ Sir” so that he could sign off on train pass – something that’s supposed to be part of his job. Remember this position “registrar” please.
I graduate from the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this college completing my Engg, go to the main university office to get my degree attested. The clerk, for 3 days does not move my file to the chancellor. Finally on day 4 I ask him how much he needed? I don’t remember how much I paid him to do his job. I get admitted to a great university in the US. I get a job as a lab assistant while in the college. After a few months I get the job of Teaching Assistant and the professors office requests my transcripts. I approach my university office, it’s closed for the weekend. I leave a voice message explaining the urgency of the transcripts. Come Monday I go to my new job – Teaching assistant with an excuse in mind for being late w transcripts. To my pleasant surprise I find out that university office had faxed those on getting the voice mail.
BTW, for your passport, you can just create a new account and book an appointment, if you have been advised by the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this pasport seva people to do so. In-general, passports are supposed to be issued/rejected within 30 days, but ofcourse there are exceptions where something happens. Also, from personal experience, if a police station doesn’t verify you or negatively verify you, you can raise a complaint about it. Unless they have a solid reason to do so and they have put the legwork, they will have to show why the report is negative, and by they, I mean every police personnel who signed that report. That’s what I had threatened to do when I was asked for a bribe for my passport. I’m from Bihar, so it’s definitely worse for me than it’s for you in Delhi.
My local police station keeps asking for bribes everytime and I have paid it before even then they intentionally screwed up my paperwork and got my application cancelled in the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this end right after I finally applied for RTI because the passport help desk itself kept making me wait to take an online appointment which btw is impossible to get even if you wait like a vulture for it to open on time. Even if I reapply again I have to go through police verification again, can you please help me out on what steps you took? Everyone is sick of this thing tbh in India but the reality is the thing which you hate the most, is loved the most by some people who prefer to stay in India just because they can do anything literally anything if they have money.
This is pretty much how I felt, PLUS being part of a minority who the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this majority either actively hates or doesn’t mind being trampled on, and how the common worker is just dispensable, with no enforced rights and no work life balance. This is pretty much why I left. I haven’t even been back since my daughter was born, and now even a short visit later this year is actually making me nervous. It sucks because I am a woman approaching all these institutes alone and I am also a minority from the northeast living here in delhi ncr. Everytime they ask for a bribe I feel scared because I am just unable to pay and people are so dishonest that they are simply not willing to help me. Only a few kind souls actually helped me out and gave me numbers and advised me to pay bribes because they themselves know there is no trusting the system.
I think how govt and all of its services operates is just a reflection of how majority of the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this population of that country is.. most of the Indians are mediocre, lazy and extremely egoistic people.. When the majority of the population is like this then the people who run the govt will also be the same. The ones who really want to work and change will be suppressed, abused until they become like them. True. I remember one of my friends very openly glorifying this. He was not the brightest student of our class and was just complaining one fine day about how he should’ve just bribed some MLA (like he had planned to) to somehow acquire a state government job. I asked him what was the point of getting it through such exorbitant amounts since it didn’t seem like their pay was good enough to recover the amount for quite a few years (the bribe sum he told me was enormous). He straight up just told me that his “bribes alone” could cover that cost in 2 or 3 years and that his pay was immaterial. I was confused and asked him what he meant. He explained he was referring to the bribes he would take after getting to the post.
The whole thing went like a very normal conversation. He pretended like this was very normal and while that kinda has been the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this case in this country for as long as I can remember, his assumption as if this was supposed to be normal (in a morally justified sense) felt quite eerie to me. He’s an outright left-wing supporter though. Hates BJP with a passion. Just goes on to show how this just might be the one thing that transcends partisan borders lol. After cracking UPSC your salay starts with 60-70 k and max ut reaches 1.7 laks at retirement time, So why do they work so hard for?? You’re conveniently forgetting all the perks. Car, house, club memberships, phone, newspaper, schooling for kids, travel, LTC, even food subsidised very very heavily by the tax payer. Plus pensions, health(CGHS) access to all the best doctors and access to jobs post retirement. All of this, plus the opportunity to make a lasting change for the positive in the country I.e job satisfaction. It’s a life to dream for. Even your gardener, electrician and house enhancements are paid for by taxpayers. You have practically no expenses and a super stable job.
No one works so hard for that. Everyone is in it for the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this bribes and of course illegal power. This country is rotten to its very core. Aparently Europe is similar beurcacy without bribes, and US is so expensive, might as well stay here, unless you are planning middle east, no hopes for you. I think it depends on where you’re from. I recently turned 18 and applied for Licence, pan , voter ID and I did not pay any bribes. The process was relatively fast too.(I’m from Andhra Pradesh) I paid for house tax on a website our municipality maintains. My account was debited but their site errored. I called them, mailed them and tweeted for months but no one gave a single response. Luckily it was a credit card so chargeback was successful after 3 months.
I have been trying for a building permit revision since January. It is a fully digital process that is supposed to be very fast and transparent. At each step it gets delayed for silly excuses and sometimes the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this concerned official is on long leave. I have to call and request them for everything as they are not interested to do the work for which they are getting paid. Some outright asks for bribe. If not paid they will delay as long as they wish. I am not saying every official is lazy or corrupt. Some people are real gems who do their work efficiently and refuse bribes. My brother’s passport renewal got delayed just because my mom fought with the police officer who asked for bribe while he came for verification. The verification completed after 6 months of waiting…. The system is broken. I remember when my mom was getting her passport made, the person to whom we asked about the procedure included the step of giving the bribe like it was a government requirement… It’s like we can get no work done without giving bribes.
I completely agree with OP this is a hard fact to swallow but if you not rich prepare to suffer or be patient I have been waiting for more than a year (paying bribes here and there) cause of some blunder caused in past. Its convenient for rich to bend rules and law makers follow rules when needed. If you want to go by rules then prepare to suffer. Here’s an insight: Any notice from tax office including GST will need to be promptly replied to within certain days. Usually anywhere between 10-30 days. But once you reply, they are not held accountable to reply back. They can take as much time as needed to reply back. Some GST offices don’t even have a working contact method ahem.. cough cough Kerala … They expect you to turn up at their office and call the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this number written on their door for follow ups. Compare this to Hong Kong, Dubai, e.t.c walk in they will either say you are compliant or pay a penalty if you are not. No run arounds. India is still decades back from most of the other countries.
UPI is one feather in the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this cap, but that too is easily present in other countries. In HK, an octopus card can be used for all transits, metros and even payments at restaurants. We have enough people to modernize things but our back is broken by bowing down to our overlords that the rich is getting richer and the middle class is in a never ending rat race. Also it’s difficult to get any work done without an agent. If you have money and a good agent then your work will be done without hassle. It’s a sad state of affairs in our country. Hoped so much change from the new government but things have remained same. Applied again, paid 1500. Policeman came asked 1000 rupees, hated it, first time someone asked for bribe like this, still gave him. Next week another dude comes in, says he need another 1000 rupees, has a list of people who applied for passport, my name’s there too. Have already paid too much of money, but also don’t want to lose everything again, so paid him. Please don’t leave us alone, stay with us. Try to reduce the corruption and make it your life purpose. We need you. It’s impossible to change the system, not to sound pessimistic, but if someone made it their purpose in life they would be wasting their life I am with you on getting out of this shithole. But folks like us gotta keep the following in mind. Once you get out of here, don’t look back, don’t preach how great india is once you move to a different country, and assimilate into the host culture because it’s that culture that made the country great.
Exactly. This is a shithole country with a shithole culture with its shithole people. I hope I can ever get out of this mess. Yeah this is something I really appreciate about US and the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this West in general. There is just ONE DOOR. You dont have to know a guy, dont have to read between the lines, you dont have to smooth talk. Whats on paper is whats IRL. Situation is bad! Once there was a time when paying a bribe would ensure that your work gets done, now it is pay bribe and hope it will be done… Somebody posted here last week saying they opened complaints with the CMO of their state and it was taken seriously and handled in 2-3 weeks’ time. I have not seen anyone in the recent past they have a issue with the passport office. Wonder why you would want to go to a post office? What if you come across the same in the other country? Saying because I’ve experienced. Grass is greener on the other side. You’re not wrong about here though. It sucks. It’s not fair. When I was a child my family went on a holiday to Romania. This was in the early 90s when the country was recently opened up to foreigners. At the border control the police wanted a bribe. My dad refused to pay and we were stuck for an entire day until they finally got fed up with us.
Left India a long time ago and I have zero regrets. I came back a couple of times to meet family and each time I couldn’t wait to leave. There is greater respect for life and people outside India. It’s fun to see people compare an entire country with others when they have the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this personal experience of the dealing with govt structures of just one country. Though I agree on the bribes part I don’t make claims or play blame game just on “beliefs”. Here OP is claiming/assuming that things are better in other countries without actually stepping out of the native country itself . For a comparison, you need to be able to have knowledge of both sides. I’m not disagreeing with OP on corruption , I’m just amused that OP wants to move permanently to another country thinking that the govt of other countries will “respect” the tax money. OP is naive imo. You’re assuming OP hasn’t talked to anyone residing in some of these countries. Especially the ones who have moved there from India. One can subjectively acknowledge the rampant low level corruption in our country without living in every other country. There are indexes for these as well.
Talking and having lived through something are two completely different matters. My experience in getting Driving License, Passport and some of the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this other documents like PAN card, was as seamless as it could have been. You can acknowledge the low level corruption, but cannot make comparisons based on hearsay. I’m only pointing out the type of argument that OP is presenting. There could be a lot of context behind the post, but I’m only sticking to the information that OP has provided. It’s like saying this “I hate chocolate flavour icecream. Other flavours are the best. I have never tasted any other flavours but I’m sure they’ll be better than chocolate because people say it” Now, you may or may not like other flavours, and you’ll only get to know it once you taste it. Silly analogy, but I hope you get the gist of it..
I get your point about lived experiences vs OPs perception. But you’ve simplified your argument to OPs experience in India vs his/her experience or lack thereof in other countries. Even though OPs post is subjective, the What Naughty is the new nice Shirt Besides,I will do this tone of the post is more generally applicable as most of us have experienced some sort of corruption in our lives. Which is why it resonates with so many people here. Also there are surveys & indexes to measure these parameters & India performing poorly in them sort of validates OPs experience in India. He thinks everyone lives in a bubble like him. Just ask” how do you know, have you experienced it first hand?” And all is good and your broad daylight ignorance should be excused by others…. ” Wake Up to Reality! Nothing ever goes as planned in this ACCURSED WORLD. The longer you live the more you will realize that the only things that truly exist in this reality are merely PAIN, SUFFERING and FUTILITY” and you are free to TRY
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