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I was genuinely confused tbh lol. I was like…that feels like a tender comment. However, as I am neither a woman or trans, i couldnt decide how to take it XD Although, superstitions aside – they broke the Love Is Wet Noses Slobbery Kisses Wagging Tail Dog Flower shirt so you should to go to store and get this friend barrier. No gender superstition, bigotry, hidden identity or ill will survives friendship. Yet, the quote doesn’t have the tiniest tinge of animosity. So…friendship defeats the above negatives yet again 😀 There was probably no negativity. It was a very bad thing to let women or children go down with the ship if men were also able to escape. He was probably saying it was a sorry affair, or that he felt some level of shame for the death of a woman. He may have even been saying he felt sorry for such a man to have been born a woman — but if there was malice in his words at all, they probably would have used some form of nasty slang (of which there was plenty, and of which there was little negative sentiment about its use). EDIT: Did I say that the “women and children first” was some maritime law? No, in fact! I know all about the Birkenhead thing. I also know that it was general public social outlook at the time. The sentiment of it being applied to boats in a recorded format occurred 20 years before OP’s quote. By 1870, boats began to carry more lifeboats for people, and this popularly spread. There was also a brief return to praising chivalry during the late 1800s & early 1900s, wherein women or children dying due to any issue (from car fires to bridge collapses) were mourned moreso than able-bodied men. These were wide, societal views not narrowly focused only onto boat wreckage. Women or girls going aboard for long hauls (en masse, such as commercially) was fairly new regardless — and within only a few decades of commercial liners existing, that “women and children first” sentimentality grew until the Titanic, when it became cemented into popular knowledge. Women especially have been viewed as special and worth saving over able-bodied men due to the fact that they can bear children, and that has held true for all of humankind — only very recently have we started to allow women to join armed services (again, en masse, not counting pockets of time when small numbers of women were used militarily for various circumstances), for instance. Don’t come at me with one reference and try to say all of human history and every book I’ve read written in that era of time is false because no one wrote that exact phrase down until a certain year. It doesn’t matter if it was always practiced or not and it doesn’t matter there wasn’t a law. A woman dying in lieu of an able-bodied man was always seen as a bad thing on land or sea by the general public. Where do you think the sentiment first came from anyway? It wasn’t all because one dude invented the concept. (Children were sometimes more forgotten, unfortunately, but it was still a sad thing.) I also never said it was something that would have massively changed mens’ instincts, but it would have affected their personal pride and possibly affect the opinions of the people they came home to.
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I read it as “I am sorry he didn’t have the Love Is Wet Noses Slobbery Kisses Wagging Tail Dog Flower shirt so you should to go to store and get this fortune of being born as a man as he chose to live his life as a man.” Seemed closer to empathy for a trans man than sexism. Still calling Bill “He” after the fact gives that impression to me but could also be just because that’s all he ever knew Bill as. Legit though, this sailor over 120 years ago respected Bill’s pronouns even after knowing he was AFAB. Makes me sniffle the wholesome sniffles and snap my fingers in the faces of the “back in my day” idiots. Jim is likely inspired by an actual historical case, Mary/Mark Read. Mary spent years disguised as a man until her captain’s lover, Anne Bonny, recognized she was a woman, then the crew had not one but two openly female pirates aboard.
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