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There would be so much blackmailing, they would have to create whole new task forces just to keep up with those in power and their blackmailing schemes Technically, if you make a man infertile the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and high damages is because of you sort of killing any kids they would have had. It’s literally billions of death by their logic. “Yes Joan, it is the largest Mass murder we have every seen in this country” I mean the average man would be committing mass genocide every couple of days or so if we follow this logic all the way. I don’t think a wrongful death suit is reasonable, but I’d definitely want to sue if they dropped the embryos as someone who has been though IVF, I’d definitely want to sue if they destroyed all the embryos by dropping them. Not to mention the headline says “wandering patient”, like how did that happen and what is going on in that bumpkin-ass hospital if random patients are playing around with frozen embryos? Exactly. In their rush to be outraged, people seem to be forgetting that this is an absolute tragedy for the couples involved. With the anti abortion and anti birth control arguments I have been saying, “What about IVT embryo’s?” There are literally tens of thousands sitting in freezers. The pro-lifers used to think that was OK. I guess that is changing.
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If I had unprotected sex in the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and last month, then I could be pregnant with quadruplets and not even know it yet, but the potential of those babies means I should get to use the HOV lane. Also anywhere that has a “kids eat free”, I get to eat free since I’m feeding those unborn children Due to innocent until proven guilty the state needs to prove you didn’t have any fertilized eggs at the time of the HOV use. Given that eggs can become unviable on their own this is likely impossible especially without violating a whole heap of medical privacy laws mixed in with the 5th amendment. Supreme court here. Medical privacy went out with the death of RvW. 5th amendment is just a bump in the road, we can twist a ruling around it. yet when tax rebates for children were being handeld out the unborn embryo suddenly did not count, interesting.
This ruling is crazy, but what happened is potentially devastating for this couple, and they do deserve something. Someone else pointed this out and was told that in order to claim a dependent on your taxes that person needs a valid SSN, which isnt issued until birth. Just riffing here: there exists a maximum age a child can legally be considered a child, but not a minimum age other than “born”. So if an embryo is now considered a child in the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and eyes of the law and not an embryo (specifically, a preborn multicellular organism), then the language by definition implies birth and therefore eligibility for an SSN. This ruling only applies to Alabama. SSNs are a federal thing. So embryos in Alabama are now quasi citizens. So if an embryo is stored for 18 years, does it get to vote?



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The embryo obviously isn‘t mentallx able to vote, but that would mean they can get their vote in via a caretaker, so everyone who has an 18 year old fetus lying aroud should be ablte to vote on that fetuses behalf. But if the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and fetus then gets defrosted and born, do they start at age 19 or at 0? You can‘t just remove someones right to vote. Night emissions are a thing too and you can’t really prove you haven’t ever had one. Guess all Alabamans can just be assumed guilty of child murder by default. If Embryos are going to be treated as children, so should Sperm, after all Sperm is what carries the child, it’s sex and half of its DNA. Men should be held to the same standards, no more masturbation.
Between this nonsense and the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and ongoing court cases for pregnant women in the carpool lane, it’s a god-damned circus. Wish we could make it so the laws they want only affect them. And then ramp up these laws to their most draconic, awful, logical extreme so they can really come to understand the ramifications. Shit like “for pro-lifers only, any erection that doesn’t directly lead to the birth of a child, is automatic life imprisonment with no trial”. Can they bring in one, just one, expert witness who can tell them around half of embryos fail to implant naturally and are flushed out with the woman’s period, the woman often none the wisertl that it ever existed? So does this mean that Alabamans can use embryos and unborn children as tax deductions? How about life insurance or oh I know, Alabamans can now be charged for an extra passenger in a plane or train or even a city bus? I am thinking some HIPAA laws will need rewriten if embryos are going to be granted living status. Need a social security number for each dependent you’re claiming, which are not issued until birth. So that’s a no-go. Sure, at the GOP their shrinking ranks are definitely a problem. But this is one hell of a way to create an army of nimrods to shore up those voting numbers. Nobody’s invented any sort of method for compressing time and space and simultaneously trying to teach those kids to vote at the same time. At least not yet. In their defense….(my wife and I tried IVF). It is expensive as F**K!! And if they just dropped the stuff and made them pay for another round of IVF for possibly tens of thousands and who knows what harm all the hormones and such do to a woman’s body….good I hoped they sued and won!
Even the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and best trained professionals make mistakes, that’s just how shit goes sometimes, but if your administration is so woefully incompetent that random patients on your hospital can wander into an IVF lab, play around with the frozen embryos and have a little whoopsie and drop them, you deserve to be sued into oblivion. Adding a comparison I found a while back. Ask anyone that agrees with those nut jobs, if a hospital was on fire and they could save either a newborn child or a cooler full of a hundred embryos which they would do and why. Neither, because that would require getting up off the couch and dusting off their Doritos dust off their sweatpants. That’s just far too much work. Apparently hospitals don’t have locking doors for secure areas that patients don’t need to access in Alabama???
And if the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and reproductive endocrinologist implants an embryo that doesn’t survive, is the mother a murderer or is the doctor? Or is it a conspiracy to murder? How dare you try and introduce the logical consequences of this ruling. And you’re detailing nuance. Those are fighting words to these people. We are getting near the bottom of the slippery slope where birth control that prevents a fertilized eggs from implanting into a uterus, (the pill, IUDs and Depo injections), are declared illegal. The argument will undoubtedly be that by not allowing a fertilized egg, a living human being as recognized by the Alabama SC, to thrive in the womb, that would be tantamount to murder and those methods should be outlawed.
This will leave women with the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and option of abstinence or barrier devices such as diaphragms and the sponge as their only option of birth control. I don’t think this is a question of if this will happen. It’s merely a question of when and this should terrify everyone. Eventually there will be a christo-facist bill that gets put up saying periods kill children and women should be held accountable. Every 12 periods, she owes the country one child. If she is single, an R or maga sub can choose which ones to assist. If she still declines, mandated trips to a fertility clinic. In the case of infertility, she will be required to raise a few in the name of the sweet baby Jesus They should be able to sue, sure.the hospital apparently let a patient handle their shit? But why for that? Are they asking to be able to sue for that? Is this article accurate? It sounds sketchy at best.
Considering the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and costs of having eggs removed, frozen, etc. that should have been enough legal grounds to get quite a settlement. I’d not be surprised if some person/group approached the couple to encourage them to sue specifically regarding a wrongful death to promote an agenda. On the facts of the case I can say I understand wanting to give someone a chance of the compensatory damages. But the precedent it sets! It’s so short-sighted and questionable at best. But probably not. A person’s “life” begins when they’re born. You can drive 16 yrs after you’re born. You can vote 18 yrs after you’re born. You can drink/smoke 21 yrs after you’re born. You can rent a car/run for Congress 25 yrs after you’re born. I’ve got a kidsicle on ice for about 8 years now. I’m gonna sue the fuck out of car insurance companies when she turns 17 and they’re not giving her the “over 25” rate.
So, in the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and fertility clinic thought experiment where it’s on fire and you can either save the container with 20 frozen embryos or one freaking out 4 year old those judges are essentially saying they’d let the 4 year die in a fire because they’re saving 20 “children” over the 1?
Frozen embryos need to be EXTREMELY undeveloped to survive being frozen. If they are extremely undeveloped, then they are obviously not living humans yet. How can we expect to be considered ethical about this if even microscopic specks are held to the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and same standards as a full grown complex human? Make it make sense. Because it doesn’t. Not like this.Imagine you are a couple who is trying for a child, it takes toll on health and money, those embrios on ice might as well be your last ones and irreplaceable if in higher age. And then “wandering mobile patient” whacks your future children. How would that feel ? I would suggest women refuse to have sex with any conservative until they change their ways. Also arm themselves to the teeth to defend against rape. Many women don’t agree to have sex with conservatives already, just the conservatives don’t care and make them finish their 6th grade placement exams afterwards.
I’d assume Bama would be more creationist about the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and whole thing and not fuck with judge’s decision, because everyone seen Jurassic Park, and “embryo specimen” in general should logically be a term that scares the shit out of them. I see what they done there: If it can become a child, it’s a child, how pro-life. Like, I wouldn’t open a porn company there, out of fear that I will be put away for life for enticing mass infanticides in every household. I would counter-sue the supreme court: The Almighty has created the wandering Mobile hospital menace, these children were not due to be and that’s that, wtf are they questioning God’s sovereignty?? I think Elle Woods made the perfect counter argument, if we’re counting eggs, embryos and sperm as children, then masturbation is just reckless abandonment
So this will cause serious problems for IVF clinics. They will fertilise as many eggs as they can in any given treatment. So now those eggs that don’t get used will have to be kept on ice for eternity, highly impractical and very expensive. So, I get the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and logic.. I guess? But, I think that classifying frozen, but fertilized embryos as children is NOT the way to go about this. That is going to be a slippery slope. One day it’s a lawsuit for wrongful death.. the next it might be a murder charge if embryos are destroyed for any reason. Or, forcing people to actually be impregnated by unwanted embryos I’m very pro choice, but as someone that just went through IVF, I somewhat agree with this decision. Not on a pro-life basis, but on a financial and emotional one.
Some people spend $20k+ to get a 3-5 viable embryos for implantation. It also takes a lot of procedures to get to this point. Are we talking about fertilized embryos, or un-fertilized. Because if you’re saying an un-fertilized embryo is a person that means every woman on earth is a serial killer when they don’t get pregnant every month. The lack of thought and education is staggering. It’s stupid but it’s sort of consistent. What I’d love to see someone do is drag this to its logical conclusion. Sue for the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and freedom of those frozen embryos. If they’re people, then they should not be held indefinitely. This is going to go into some weird legal places if they ever decide this means the embryos have the right to be implanted and mature. We’re already forcing women to carry rape pregnancies to term.
Exactly. But it will force the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and legal system (and more importantly those who are unequivocally opposed to abortion) to decide if embryos are people or property, or some chimeric third option. So if embryos are considered children does that mean we’re gonna start considering each individual sperm children? If that’s the case my kill count it higher than the Holocaust. Wrongful death is a bit much, but they should be rewarded the cost of procedure +time +a bit for suffering. Many people using IVF have been unsuccessfully trying for years and destroying their embryos would be a significant mental blow. People are missing the point here. The article has a misleading title but the verdict is just. People who freeze embryos probably can’t have children naturally anymore as this procedure is generally done before permanent contraceptive surgery.
This person just deprived 3 couples pf the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and ability to ever have children of their own, so this warrants some serious punishment, at least, imo. The door was unlocked and let a random person destroy the embryos and that absolutely deserves to be punished. The negligence of the hospital and the patient for trespassing and destruction. Doing it through this specific pathway though will basically close all fertility clinics in Alabama. The legal teams are going to find operations legally hazy to continue, basically half of normal operations are now murder. Delivery rooms across America are already closing in restricted states, simply leaving areas without care. A couple has to pay to keep them frozen, when they stop they get tossed out and that can’t happen anymore. Also, when IVF fails (about 50% of them never implant) is that illegal? Miscarriages that can be twisted as the mother’s/parent’s fault (drugs, falling down the stairs, getting into a fight all have women sitting in jail right now, before Roe fell) can now also be turned against them.
I’d like to see that mobile hospital take this ruling to the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and IRS and claim all of those “children” as tax exemptions. I wouldn’t have gone that route, but woman only have a set number of them, so yes that was a potential baby. Just imagine if she has already low egg count and they lost the last or close to. Here’s the thing: if you read the judges’ opinion, they almost certainly reached the correct decision under Alabama law. And as they said, it isn’t for them to decide whether those laws lead to good or bad public policy. Obviously they are not children but if they are the only means for a person to have a child then they are as good as children to those parents. If they are considered to be just a bunch of cells then it runs the risk of people treating them carelessly, leaving them where a janitor can knock them off. Maybe they need a new concept of “potential life” or something because this is obviously not the right way to go about protecting those potential lives.
Why did I say this? Because I just want to point out that those people have less knowledge on biology than a fucking 17 year old. There is a lot to unpack in the Gardner Minshew Indianapolis HorseShew Magic Signature T-Shirt and by the same token and smaller print. I feel this might have been a sensible ruling once the blanks are filled it. Example theory: these were the last chance the couple had for kids, the person who dropped them did so intentionally knowing that fact. Yes it is a wild theory but there HAS to be more to the story than “judge thinks all embryo are kids”. For any wondering I don’t live in the US and don’t know how good or bad the judiciary is there Oh god, they really are going to arrest us for jerking off since semen is technically part of what fertilizes an embryo and can be classified as a “child” I hate these comments. If you spent your own hard earned money, $200k let’s say, on your only hope to get pregnant and carry on your family legacy, and then some dipshit drops that only hope. Not just for you and your wife, but 3 families got fucked by this idiot. If this is the only way to get those fuckheads to pay for their own mistake, then so be it.
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